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A&E station in St Columcilles hospital:Changes allready in progress!

Apparently the move by the HSE and the Government to remove
services from our local hospital is already in progress according to one of Wicklow’s
TD’s Andrew Doyle (Fine Gael)

Listening to this man’s waffle on East coast radio this
morning I was not surprised to hear him try to convince the listening public of
the need to accept the changes that are apparently under way .He went on to
trot out the well versed spin that nothing will change until all necessary
upgrades to the ambulance services have been completes. As far as I am concerned
Mr. Doyle is way off the mark here, trying to convince people that there are
better off stuck in an ambulance in traffic in an emergency situation instead
of been attended to in the A&E station in St Columcilles hospital is just ridiculous
.We are told every second counts so adding another 1800 seconds (Approx 30 minutes)
waiting before you get to a hospital in now the best alternative to what we
have now? This is utter crap. Mr. Doyle should sit in a car for thirty minutes
and contemplate just how long this really is when your life is on the line and every
second counts. This has nothing to do with upgrading services, the country is
broke because Mr. Doyle and his party have reneged on election promises
.Instead they have implemented Fianna Fail policies and are now pushing new
Austerity measures that the IMF and EU have demanded. Cutting the health
services budget is one of these demands .our local hospital services are been
cut because these gutless politicians haven’t got the balls to stand up for the
people they are supposed to represent. Instead they are hiding behind this waffle
exactly the same waffle we heard when Wicklow Town’s small hospital was closed
only a year ago.

This is all about cutting costs and this is just the
beginning with a budget defecate of 30 billion Mr. Doyle will be doing a lot
more waffling.

Wake up Ireland !

Andrew Doyle on the Child Care Amendment Bill

Reply From

Andrew Doyle to me
show details 12:02 PM 

A Chara,

Thank you for your correspondence on the Child Care Amendment Bill.
This issue is at last receiving a lot of attention of late and the passage of this Bill provides a unique opportunity to resolve some of the problems in the provision of care for children, including that of aftercare services.

As a former member of the East Coast Area Health Board and of that body’s Childcare Committee, I agree wholeheartedly with what you and Focus Ireland are trying to achieve. I might add that I have some experience first hand with children who left the care of the state at age 18 and who found themselves lost and rudderless and for two of them, this had tragic consequences.

As parents, our duty of care to our own children does not end at 18; mothers often say it continues way beyond that!  The reality is that the state takes up the responsibility of “parent” when children enter care often because of seriously traumatic and disturbing circumstances.  To assume that all of these issues are dealt with at aged 18 and that a young person carrying all of this is capable of facing into society on their own has been shown to be a false and costly assumption.

Over the past number of months, the Fine Gael Spokesperson for Children, Charlie Flanagan TD, has met with a number of interested parties on this issue and feels very strongly that young people who leave state care at 18 years of age should be provided with aftercare services to assist their transition to independent living. Deputy Flanagan has submitted a Report Stage Amendment to the Bill requiring the HSE to provide aftercare services, thus giving the Minister for Children, Barry Andrews, TD, another opportunity to fulfil the recommendation of the Ryan Report.  

It is our hope that the Government will take this opportunity to ensure the best outcome for young people and for my part I will pursue this aim.

Andrew Doyle T.D.

Forget the minimum wage and work for nothing!

Work Placement Program (WPP)

Languishing on the Dole for the last 12 months and not in receipt of any payments (because I was self-employed) I heard about this program, and thought I would go down to the local FAS office here in Wicklow Town and enquire about this possibility for myself!

As usual I was met with the usual courtesy .The FAS officer reminded me that they were always available, no appointment was necessary and we got down to business

I wanted to know if there was a possibility I could take advantage of this program.

Cheerfully she informed me I would be eligible for this program (now we are getting places I thought!)

Then out of the blue I was told that whilst I could theoretically get a placing for up to nine months in a company, I would be working without pay for those nine months.

As I am not in receipt of any payments from the department of social welfare or FAS itself.

I would not receive any funds from these state bodies nor would I receive any payment from the company I was working for!

So we have now reached the bottom in the Irish labour market, forget the minimum wage, with the new changes to the FAS rules at the last budget in December.

Brian Lenihian now expects the unemployed to work for nothing!

The sense of injustice is just sickening, as I have worked all my life and paid my taxes and yet I see people who have not contributed to the state collect payments!

It’s almost a crime to be Irish in Ireland now! FAS may not have any more money to pay

For the training and up skilling of the unemployed as a result of their incompetence

And questionable financial practices.

I appeal to the minster concerned to ratify this obvious abuse of the Unemployed and I call on all TD’s to demand that this practice be immediately revoked

I particularly call on the local TD’s for my area, to publicly show their support for the unemployed of Wicklow and support this petition.

Liz McManus TD liz.mcmanus@oireachtas.ie,

Joe Behan TD joe.behan@oireachtas.ie

Andrew Doyle andrew.doyle@finegael.ie

Billy Timmins billy.timmins@oireachtas.ie

Dick Roche dick.roche@oireachtas.ie

Wicklow towns roads

Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael)


Wicklow County Council has been given €850,000 to maintain its roads in 2010. With three weeks gone in the year and 49 weeks to go, I estimate that between €500,000 and €600,000 of that annual fund has been spent already. One of today’s newspapers reported that approximately €150 million – I imagine that was an educated guess – is needed to repair the damage done to this country’s roads in recent times. That equates to an average of approximately €4 million for each affected local authority. It is encouraging that the Minister of State from the capital city is present in the Chamber. It seems that his senior colleague, the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, who represents a neighbouring constituency, did not take this crisis seriously until it started to affect the city. As my colleagues have said, road infrastructure is the key to road safety. It is also the key to attracting investment, business and tourism. It is right that the road from the hotel in Glendalough to the upper lake car park was repaired last Sunday to make the road passable. However, another section of road not too far away, which is used for access by a milk lorry, was not repaired. If something positive is to come out of all of this, it is that local employment will have to be created as money is spent locally to repair our roads. If this is not addressed, we will have no road infrastructure in 12 months’ time.


Nice one Andrew, However I would argue that the roads in the town’s would need to be given priority as the car repair business is booming and workers cannot afford the constant repairs .This week alone I had to fork out 550 Euros for wheel Barings and the garage man tells me it was because of the various pot holes in and around the Abby street and Marlton road junction in Wicklow Town

Collecting my children from school is lethal as the potholes are getting bigger and bigger (near the Wicklow Montessori school) also outside the Abby National school

The whole road needs to be urgently resurfaced (Dublin Road & Abby Road ,Wicklow Town)

Andrew Doyle / Health

Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael)

Question 110: To ask the Minister for Health and Children her views on the findings of the National Economic and Social Forum report on the implementation of the home care package scheme which concludes that eligibility differs from area to area resulting in inequalities and inconsistencies for people in need of support and that there is much duplication of work, with double or triple assessment of the care needs of older people; the action she will take in relation to same; and if she will make a statement on the matter.

Áine Brady
(Minister of State with special responsibility for Older People and Health Promotion, Department of Health and Children; Kildare North, Fianna Fail)

I propose to take Questions Nos. 106, 110 and 135 together.

The priorities of the Department in recent times, in relation to Services for Older People, have been the introduction of the Nursing Homes Support Scheme, and the bringing into force of new regulations in July last for the long-term residential care sector.

In tandem with these initiatives for the residential care sector, the Department has also been progressing initiatives on the community side and, as part of this, earlier this year commenced an independent Evaluation of Home Care Packages (HCPs). The HCP programme currently undertaken by the HSE involves overall annual funding in the region of €120 million, to provide packages to around 8,700 older people at any one time or approximately, 11,500 over the course of the year. Such packages are intended to enable older people to live at home and in their communities for as long as possible and to facilitate discharge from, or prevent inappropriate admission to, acute hospitals and long-term residential care. The HSE allocates and manages packages on this basis around the country.

The Department’s Evaluation , undertaken by PA Consulting Group, will be formally submitted to Minister, Deputy Harney shortly. The aim of the evaluation was to assess, through quantitative and qualitative research at HSE national and local level, whether the objectives of the HCP Initiative are being met in the best possible way. This evaluation was recommended by the long-term care working g roup, and reinforced by a “Towards 2016” commitment. The Department and the HSE has accepted the need for a more standardised approach to HCP provision generally. In the context of the forthcoming Report by PA Consulting Group, the Department is at present, in conjunction with the HSE, considering various issues in relation to HCP provision, including:

finalising and agreeing standardised access and operational guidelines for delivery of Home Care Packages;

adoption and dissemination by the HSE of a voluntary code of Quality Guidelines for Home Care Support Services for Older People; and

consideration of the Law Reform Commission recommendations in the context of possible changes to legislation and regulation in the area of home care for older persons generally.

I am familiar with the recently launched NESF Report which focused on the implementation of home care packages from a policy implementation point of view. It acknowledges that while the home care package initiative was a well designed policy, improvements are required in a number of areas regarding implementation, including the issues raised by the Deputies. These issues are also being addressed in the report commissioned by the Department.

It is intended that various recommendations of the PA report will be implemented or progressed over the course of 2010, including those relating to governance, operational delivery, performance management and funding.

Wicklow TD’s are big spenders

Wicklow TD’s are big spenders when it comes to expenses  419,327.00 s Euros

Wicklow Darby

With the growing number of Wicklow voters being dumped on to the dole queues like my-self and told that we are not eligible to any dole payments or any other social security payments after paying into the tax coffers for 35 years, and never having darkened the door step of a dole office before, it is a hard thing to swallow this extravagance in allowances for our well healed TD’s

I wont waste time calling for any explanations from our local servants of the people.

But you must agree that when the people that are supposed to be serving you in the Dail and that are supposed to be servants of the people are living way beyond the level of ordinary people there has to be something very wrong !

I call on the voters to now demand that any would be TD’s in the next general election declare that they will work for the average industrial wage and if not they will not get your vote and further more I propose that all able persons to stand for the general election against existing TD’s that refuse to make available to the local communities a complete listing of their expenses

I am offering to post any such information on this blog for free anytime

 I call  on all the Wicklow TD’s to publish their entire expenses for their term to date!and to do so every month from now on

Lets see what happens above race results were again

1 st place: Billy Timmins  FG at 120,685 Euros

2nd place: Andrew Doyle FG at 113,572 Euros

3rd place   Joe Behan      IND at   90,717 Euros

4th place Liz McManus Lab  at   76,503 Euros

Last Place Dick Roche  FF      at    17,850 Euros

Andrew DoyleWicklow TD’a Dail comments

Dáil debates

Wednesday, 1 July 2009

Adjournment Debate

Long-Term Illness Scheme.

10:00 pm

Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael)

I raised this matter in 2007, when it would probably have been easier to achieve a positive result. Notwithstanding that, I was told it was not envisaged that the 1970 Act that specified the list of illnesses covered by the long-term illness scheme would be added to or reviewed. I have been contacted by a couple of young people who have Crohn’s disease. It is a lifelong illness and has no cure. It can be contained and managed and people can live as ordinary and as normal a life as possible, but it cannot be cured. It is defined as an auto-immune illness, as are arthritis and multiple sclerosis, and yet of the three, only multiple sclerosis is on the list. Given that it has the same long-term consequences, it seems strange that Crohn’s disease is not included.

Last November, the Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Mary Harney, ruled out any chance of Crohn’s disease being included in the long-term illness scheme, claiming sufferers have to pay only €100 per month, so it would be of no benefit to them given the cover available under the drugs payment scheme. Unfortunately, she did not think of the number of GP visits sufferers have, at €50 to €60 each, and the number of routine blood tests they have to undergo to monitor their disease. If it comes to the stage where young people, particularly young women, neglect their visits or blood tests because they cannot afford it, there are consequences down the line.

The Minister is probably correct that this does not affect many people but an alarming number of young people are getting it for some reason which has not been established. Given the fact that it affects so few in the context of the national population its addition should be considered. It would be cost-negative because if people are forced not to look after the illness the consequences are dire by way of long-term medical needs, persistent admissions to hospitals rather than outpatient visits and subsequent operations that will be necessary.

It is manageable, not curable, but needs to be monitored regularly. The amount of money involved in including Crohn’s disease is minimal. There is no point saying that we should give here and there but it is cost-negative. I would appreciate if the Minister would undertake a cost-benefit analysis of it and take medical advice on the long-term consequences of not taking care of it and of the number of people who have the disease but are not attending as they should. The number of visits people should make and the amount of care they should take to monitor this illness are fairly well laid down. If it must be looked at coldly, which, unfortunately, it probably will be, with that in mind it could be possible to include it.

Áine Brady
(Minister of State with special responsibility for Older People and Health Promotion, Department of Health and Children; Kildare North, Fianna Fail)

I will respond to this Adjournment matter on behalf of my colleague, the Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Mary Harney, and I thank Deputy Doyle for raising this issue.

The long-term illness scheme arose from a non-statutory scheme, established in 1967, to supply free of charge certain products to persons for the treatment of diabetes. A statutory scheme was introduced in 1971 under section 59(3) of the Health Act 1970. It provides that a health board, now the HSE, may make arrangements for the supply without charge of drugs, medicines or medical and surgical appliances to persons suffering from a prescribed disease or disability of a permanent or long-term nature.

The conditions which have been prescribed are mental handicap, mental illness for people under 16 only, phenylketonuria, cystic fibrosis, spina bifida, hydrocephalus, diabetes mellitus, diabetes insipidus, haemophilia, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophies, Parkinsonism, conditions arising from thalidomide and acute leukaemia.

From 1971, a separate scheme was introduced to refund the cost of drugs above a certain threshold for non-medical card holders. This evolved into the drugs payment scheme in 1999. Under this scheme, no individual or family unit pays more than €100 per calendar month towards the cost of approved prescribed medicines. The drugs payment scheme is easy to use and significantly reduces the cost burden for families and individuals incurring ongoing expenditure on medicines.

When the drugs payment scheme was introduced, it was decided to continue the long-term illness scheme for the conditions already covered, but it has not been extended and there are no plans to do so. People who cannot, without undue hardship, arrange for the provision of medical services for themselves and their dependants may be entitled to a medical card. In the assessment process, the Health Service Executive can take into account medical costs incurred by an individual or a family. Those who are not eligible for a medical card may still be able to avail of a GP visit card, which covers the cost of general practice consultations.

Andrew Doyle30.06.2009

Dáil debates

Tuesday, 30 June 2009

Priority Questions

Food Industry.

3:00 pm

Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael)


Question 28: To ask the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he has had discussions with the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment with regard to the difficulties facing the food and drinks industry; his views on the way forward to sustain employment and production in the industry; and if he will make a statement on the matter


Tony Killeen
(Minister of State with special responsibility for Forestry, Fisheries and the Marine, Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food; Clare, Fianna Fail)

My Department works closely with the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment and our respective departmental agencies on issues confronting the food and drinks industry. The economic downturn, rising costs and currency exposures have translated into sudden and severe deterioration in trading conditions. One of my key priorities is to ensure a policy and support framework that will facilitate the food sector in maintaining competitiveness and its contribution to the economy. In this context the Government has established a cabinet sub-committee and interdepartmental group on economic recovery. Arising from the work of these groups, the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment launched an enterprise stabilisation fund, which is run by Enterprise Ireland, to allow for meaningful additional assistance to be provided to basically sound internationally traded companies that would otherwise struggle to survive the global downturn. The fund operates in conjunction with the banks to provide direct financial support to eligible, internationally trading enterprises which are undertaking development expenditure to reduce costs and gain sales in recession hit overseas markets. It complements the banks’ commitment to SMEs under the recapitalisation scheme and should facilitate much of the restructuring that is needed for viable companies selling on the home market. Other issues affecting the competitiveness of manufacturing industry, including the food industry, will continue to be addressed by the Government.

Within my direct area of responsibility, I should point out that my Department and the development agencies have supported capital investment, marketing measures and food research to sustain the food and drinks industry. Grant aid has been awarded under the dairy and beef and sheepmeat investment funds, which are operated by Enterprise Ireland on behalf of my Department, to improve efficiencies and added value from processing.

In dairying, 19 projects were awarded €114 million for investment of €286 million. Five of these projects have been completed and three are well advanced. Grant aid amounting to €30 million has been paid and a further €30 million is expected to be paid by the end of 2009. Grant aid of €69 million awarded in the beef and sheepmeat sectors is expected to contribute to investment of €168 million and contribute to a net increase in sales and exports of €400 million as well as a net additional 800 jobs by 2012.

Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael)

That is all very fine but last week the Joint Committee on Agriculture, Fisheries and Food heard a presentation from Mr. Jim Power. He highlighted the fact that 100,000 jobs are in jeopardy because of unfair trading circumstances. Last week’s report from Food and Drinks Industry Ireland highlighted our cost base in waste, energy and labour, but also the need for fair trade legislation to outlaw current practices. This will drive down the profits. While everybody else has to show their margins, the retailers do not publish theirs. There is no legislation in place to underpin it. There is no sheriff. This is the wild west of the sector. It is worth €11 billion nationally, and nobody is policing it.

Unless we do something it will be too late. These jobs create extra jobs. It is estimated that 230,000 people work in this sector. One can talk about schemes, initiatives and Cabinet sub-committees, but people are losing their jobs every week and others are in danger of losing their jobs. The Minister mentioned initiatives for companies that are sound and trading abroad. There are hundreds of smaller processors trading in this country. In this week’s Irish Farmers Journal Dr. Pat Wall made the point about country of origin. He said that is not a buy Irish campaign. There is a serious resistance on the part of the Government and the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food to initiate a country of origin campaign and that, in itself, is educational.

Trevor Sargent

(Minister of State with special responsibility for Food and Horticulture, Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food; Dublin North, Green Party)

There is no resistance in the Government to country of origin labelling. We would introduce it overnight if we did not have the resistance from other member states. We are working on that and I will not give up on it. Deputy Doyle is right. A very serious situation confronts the food and drink sector and I talked about the quicker element of the response, which had to be brought about by special permission of the European Commission to allow for temporary state-aid rules in December 2008.

Deputy Doyle referred to the wild west. The Food and Drink Industry Ireland report uses a less colourful but equally accurate term when it says the grocery sector is dysfunctional due to excessive retail buyer power. We are working on the legislative approach with the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment and the EU because there are other countries in the same boat as ourselves. We need a code of practice and a retail ombudsman, and those can be brought in before the legislative approach runs its course. We are working on these aspects with the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment .

Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael)


I seek clarification. I welcome the fact that the Minister has said there is a legislative approach. On last Thursday’s Order of Business I asked the Minister for Finance whether he had any plans to bring in fair trade legislation and he said he did not. On foot of today’s report, the Competition Authority’s remit seems to be all about competition in the grocery sector being healthy in the short term for consumers, but there is nothing about competition for producers or transparency in how their prices are set and driven down on a whim. I have heard of invoices being reduced a further 20% by one of the major retailers this week. It is a carte blanche approach across the board and one has no say in it. That sort of behaviour cannot be allowed to continue.

(Minister of State with special responsibility for Food and Horticulture, Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food; Dublin North, Green Party)


The report by the Competition Authority, as its name suggests, puts much emphasis on competition but it points out that exporters will frequently price to the market. The retail sector is being shown to have a selective approach to what it means by competition in any one market and will play to its strengths and have higher margins in some areas than others because it considers it can get away with it. The information is not available.

Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael)


There is no fair trade legislation.

(Minister of State with special responsibility for Food and Horticulture, Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food; Dublin North, Green Party)


That is why we need a retail ombudsman. I heard the Tesco representative on “Morning Ireland” this morning. He did not give a “Yes” or “No” answer when asked about a retail ombudsman. Consumers, the Government and the industry need to come together and recognise that unless we have transparency and an end to this dysfunctional operation of the retail sector, the suppliers will not be around for much longer.

Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael)

He effectively said, “No”.

(Minister of State with special responsibility for Food and Horticulture, Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food; Dublin North, Green Party)


He did not answer the question, but he will have to do so.

Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael)

He did not answer the question but he effectively said, “No”.



(Wicklow, Fine Gael)

Question 447: To ask the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food the discussions he has had with the Department of Finance with regard to the negotiation of a redundancy package for Coillte workers; the next steps in the negotiation of the package; the estimated timescale for the resolution of same; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [26184/09]

(Minister, Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food; Cavan-Monaghan, Fianna Fail)

Coillte Teoranta was established as a private commercial company under the Forestry Act, 1988. In accordance with Section 44 of that Act, while a voluntary early retirement scheme is submitted to me in the first instance for approval, such approval may only be given with the concurrence of the Minister for Finance. I wish to advise the Deputy that I have given my approval, with the concurrence of the Minister for Finance, for Coillte to proceed with a voluntary early retirement scheme for their industrial workers. A letter conveying this approval was sent to the company on 23 June 2009. Day-to-day operational matters, such as the roll-out of the scheme, are the responsibility of the company.

Wicklow Towns New Harbour access Road (2)

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Wicklow Towns New Harbour access Road


Here is a sneak preview of part of the new harbour road in Wicklow Town  29.06.2009


Purple tainted area is the area on video clip

New road set to open in few a months’ but looking at the works ongoing especially the Rail Bridge

It could take a little longer maybe up to December!!

Wicklow TD’s Comments in the Dail.

Order of Business in the Dail


Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael) Link to this

Deputy Creed mentioned the food and drinks industry report earlier. The witnesses that were present at the joint committee on agriculture yesterday all highlighted the fact that since the groceries order was abolished, practices have taken place in this country in regard to the groceries sector that are totally unacceptable. Will the Government accept that it needs to introduce fair trade legislation?

John O’Donoghue

Link to this
(Ceann Comhairle; Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)

Is legislation promised in this area?

(Minister, Department of Finance; Dublin West, Fianna Fail)

There is not.

Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael)

I urge the Minister to reconsider.



Department of Social and Family Affairs

Departmental Schemes

7:00 pm

Andrew Doyle
(Wicklow, Fine Gael)

Question 29: To ask the Minister for Social and Family Affairs her plans to amend the mortgage interest supplement scheme; if she will make revised guidelines publically available; and if she will make a statement on the matter.

Mary Hanafin
(Minister, Department of Social and Family Affairs; Dún Laoghaire, Fianna Fail)

The mortgage interest supplement scheme is designed to help people whose means are insufficient to meet their needs and who have difficulty meeting their mortgage repayment schedule. The scheme provides a short-term “safety net” within the overall social welfare scheme to ensure that people do not suffer hardship due to loss of employment. A supplement may be paid in respect of mortgage interest only to eligible people who are unable to meet their mortgage interest repayments in respect of a house which is their sole place of residence.

There are currently 12,900 people in receipt of mortgage interest supplement, an increase of 213% over the number in payment at end 2007. The assessment for the mortgage interest supplement scheme provides for a gradual withdrawal of payment as hours of employment or earnings increase. Those availing of part-time employment and/or training opportunities can continue to receive mortgage interest supplement subject to their satisfying the standard means assessment rules.

The review of the administration of the mortgage interest supplement scheme is progressing. The main purpose of the review is to consider how the mortgage interest supplement scheme can best meet its objective of catering for those who require assistance on a short-term basis, where they are unable to meet mortgage interest repayments on their sole place of residence. Legislative and operational issues arising in the current scheme are being examined, including the cap on hours of employment and the impact, if any, of the Financial Regulator’s statutory Code of Practice on Mortgage Arrears will have on the scheme. The review will also examine operational aspects of the scheme including best practice in the recording, collating and maintaining statistical data on the scheme.

Following consultation with the community welfare service, guidelines on specific and immediate operational issues for the community welfare officers have been updated and issued. Arrangements are being made to make the guidelines available on the Department’s website. The full review should be completed and a final report prepared by the end of 2009.

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